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Post by Phil Hetherington on Oct 10, 2018 11:04:25 GMT 1
A DVLA search draws a blank, which doesn’t conclusively mean it’s been scrapped, but if it does survive it will have been off the road since the mid 80s or will have lost its number plate before then (and the vehicle which took it off the road since before then also).
That doesn’t help much but the only other possibility is if the club have it listed.
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Post by magnet on Oct 10, 2018 14:04:04 GMT 1
Hello Coilin, This car was first registered in York in March 1955, and as Phil points out, is not showing on the DVLA system - and he points out some valid reasons why. Most likely is that it simply did not survive until to mid 80s when the current system was set up. However, it would have been a desirable number in terms of cherished transfer.
Of course, we could both be barking up the wrong trees, since you don't tell us whether you want to trace the history of it because it was once owned (to which Phil's reasoning applies), or if by chance, you have acquired it out of long term storage, and you now want to find out more.
Could you please fill in more detail about the reason why you want to trace the history of this car?
Membership records? - good suggestion. Kind regards, Gareth.
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Post by colinj on Oct 10, 2018 15:33:23 GMT 1
Thank you both for your reply’s. As you point out more detail will help. I have acquired this vehicle and it sits complete including tax disc from last use in 1977. It’s still in york. I have however acquired this minus a v5 and key it was part of a house clearance following a berevement. My purpose for asking is as a fan of classic cars I intend to try resurrect this and wondered if anyone had further info to help obtain replacement paperwork whilst hopefully keeping the number as a york number which is where I live. Thanks again
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Post by webmaster on Oct 10, 2018 17:02:39 GMT 1
The car is not on the Club's database.
The Clubs DVLA Rep. can help you get your registration back. To do this he will need some evidence eg old MOTs or log books so you may need to go back to the vendors. If you cant get that he can help you get an aged related plate
Contact him on harry.groom@aol.com
Phil
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Post by colinj on Oct 10, 2018 18:49:11 GMT 1
My first port is to apply to dvla for the v5 I have all details chassis numbers ect so any inspection isn’t an issue. Beyond a couple of outersills and a fresh battery it could theoretically be used (I wouldn’t as needs a full check of brakes ect) I just want to get paperwork in order before I invest money incase of any unforeseen clerical issues if I could figure images lol I’d attach a few
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Post by magnet on Oct 10, 2018 19:34:41 GMT 1
Hello Colin, Well done, full information is indeed king!
I must applaud your desire to get the paperwork sorted out before destroying any originality. Few follow this advisable step.
As you will gather from Phil's reply, simply having the necessary chassis numbers etc. will not be sufficient to obtain a V5 for this car, and sorry to be pessimistic, but if you don't have an old buff log book (or perhaps an old MOT or tax disc- both of lesser credence than an old log book) then your chance of retaining the original number is slim.
I would advise not (in caps!) to go this alone with the DVLA, but again follow Phil's advice and get the application for a V5 administered by the club's DVLA Listed Contact or another listed contact via the DVLA's V765 scheme.
Applying to the York Archives would be a useful evidence gathering start - to see if they retain details of first registration for the LDN series for March 1955. (I have evidence of the issue date - so fairly a precise date of first registration for this number can be confirmed)
Good luck with this, but please do not go it alone with DVLA. Kind regards, Gareth.
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Post by colinj on Oct 10, 2018 20:00:34 GMT 1
Thanks for the help. Looks like it’s more paperwork than repair work. What I can’t get my head around is how I have the car clearly untouched and original still wearing its original plates how dvla can question its authenticity and question things. If I didn’t have chassis plates ect or reg plates ok yes I could see it if this car was newer and of no interest dvla wouldn’t make so many obsticals.
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Post by magnet on Oct 10, 2018 21:17:44 GMT 1
Well Coilin, although I appreciate your take on the situation, you will unfortunately find that DVLA require 'evidence'. Yes, you have the car, complete with chassis plates and number plates, but what proof (positive) do you have to prove the registration number now on the car is the same as that when new or pre DVLA system?
Yes, I know you 'believe' the number is original, but unfortunately DVLA doesn't work on this principle - evidence is normally required (via period paperwork) that the number and the chassis number were linked.
The tax disc is a good start, but I would certainly follow the route of enquiry with York Archive /Records Office.
Personally I would not put too much emphasis on 'reasonable doubt' - but gather your information to aid the best possible presentation of your case by a V765 Listed Contact. Failure to do that, will increase the risk of this car being allocated a so called period (back to front) number. Kind regards, Gareth.
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Post by Phil Hetherington on Oct 10, 2018 21:27:57 GMT 1
Have to agree with Gareth on this. The tax disc is a good piece of evidence, also if you can find the LDN registration in York’s archive and get a certified extract, this can be used too. (Stick DN into the search on the Kithead Trust website to get the necessary contact details, but it isn’t totally clear to me if the complete record survives; good luck!). Please do use the club’s DVLA rep, it will help lead to a successful outcome. Also, probably best not to pull the car to bits before any inspection takes place. With any luck you will get a V5C with the original registration, though it will be “non transferable”. Which is arguably a good thing as it will keep it on the car and doing that will boost the car’s value, even if the plate itself has none.
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